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=20 mm D shell=
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=17 mm=
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[[Image:Floppy_Thinkpad_365XD.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (365XD) — width: 20mm]]
 
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*ThinkPad {{365XD}} (seems to be the same like i.e. 770, but a little bigger)
 
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=17 mm D shell, 26 pin=
 
 
[[Image:Floppy_Thinkpad_770.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (770) — width: 17mm]]
 
[[Image:Floppy_Thinkpad_770.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (770) — width: 17mm]]
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[[File:FLOPPORT17sketch.jpg|thumb|right|200px|sketch of 17 mm-wide external floppy connector]]
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[[File:FLOPPORT17photo.jpg|thumb|right|200px|photo of two 17 mm connector types, host and cable]]
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By year 2000, IBM made this their standard host-side connector for external floppy diskette drive.  This D-shell connector has 26 pins.  It is found in ThinkPad and Dock product lines, and SurePOS 500.
  
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By year 2000, IBM made this their standard exteral floppy connector.  It is found in ThinkPad and Dock line, and SurePOS.
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==Models featuring 17 mm connector==
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*ThinkPad {{110}}
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==Models featuring this Technology==
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*ThinkPad {{220}}, {{230}}, {{240}}
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*ThinkPad {{530}}, {{535}}
 
*ThinkPad {{560}}, {{560E}}, {{560X}}, {{560Z}}
 
*ThinkPad {{560}}, {{560E}}, {{560X}}, {{560Z}}
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*ThinkPad {{570}}, {{570E}}
 
*ThinkPad {{600}}, {{600E}}, {{600X}}
 
*ThinkPad {{600}}, {{600E}}, {{600X}}
 
*ThinkPad {{770}}, {{770E}}, {{770ED}}, {{770X}}, {{770Z}}
 
*ThinkPad {{770}}, {{770E}}, {{770ED}}, {{770X}}, {{770Z}}
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{{NOTE|These devices only feature pass-through functionality, the actual Floppy Controller logic needs to reside in the ThinkPad for the port to work}}
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator II]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator II]]
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*[[ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet]]
 
*[[ThinkPad Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet]]
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*[[SelectaBase 600]]
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==beware other implementations of 17 mm connector==
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Also Toshiba and Apple used the same ''connector'' (17 mm 26 pin) as IBM.  Their implementations are contrary, noncompatible.
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Toshiba used a same connector and ''different wire/pin assignment''.  Like ThinkPad parts, they are abundant in secondhand market.  How unfortunate, IBM and Toshiba did not choose identical wiring plan.
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{{QUOTE|jmetal88|Vintage Computer Forums|The plug is a perfect fit, but unfortunately, the laptop will not power on with the floppy plugged in. Additionally, the laptop will not power on with the cable plugged in while the floppy drive is not connected to the cable.}}
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[http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?22879-Any-info-on-this-laptop&p=161643#post161643 Tip by jmetal88 on vintage-computer.com Vintage Computer Forums.]
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{{QUOTE| Kasm279 |forum.thinkpads.com|Despite the cable for a Toshiba and one of the IBM ones having the same connector, they are NOT interchangable. I blew a fuse in a Toshiba that way.}}
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[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=117342&p=754822#p754822 Tip by Kasm279 on forum.thinkpads.com.]
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[https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28005-2400c-questions-sound-pcmcia-ethernet/#entry299313 Apple used a same connector in Macintosh PowerBook 2400.]  Apple Macintosh floppy interface is incompatible to IBM PC floppy interface.  Despite being made by IBM, [https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/28005-2400c-questions-sound-pcmcia-ethernet/#entry299292 PowerBook 2400 uses different wiring.]  Tip by MikeatOSX and sambapati87.
  
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==beware identical Toshiba==
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==17 mm drive Options==
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Toshiba used a same connector as IBM (17 mm 26 pin).  Like ThinkPad parts, they are abundant in secondhand market.  I wonder if they are compatible; I did not test, myself.  [http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?22879-Any-info-on-this-laptop I found only one user report (IBM floppy with Toshiba PC), and that user reports failure, not compatible.]  How unfortunate, IBM and Toshiba did not choose identical wiring plan.--[[User:Numeric|Numeric]] ([[User talk:Numeric|talk]]))
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The most compact Option is Part (FRU) 84G8663, designed for {{230}} and {{PC110}}.  This has a non-removable cable which plugs-in to 17mm host.
  
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==drive Options==
 
 
===ThinkPad T Series FDD External Cable Kit===
 
===ThinkPad T Series FDD External Cable Kit===
 
This cable connects [[Ultrabay 2000 Floppy Drive]] to host with 17 mm D connector.  End of cable with Ultrabay 2000 connector has thumbscrews, for a rigid connection, semi-permanent attachment.  IBM Option P/N 27L0524; FRU P/N 27L0525; other P/N (ASM?) 27L0526.
 
This cable connects [[Ultrabay 2000 Floppy Drive]] to host with 17 mm D connector.  End of cable with Ultrabay 2000 connector has thumbscrews, for a rigid connection, semi-permanent attachment.  IBM Option P/N 27L0524; FRU P/N 27L0525; other P/N (ASM?) 27L0526.
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===UltraslimBay Floppy enclosure===
 
===UltraslimBay Floppy enclosure===
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This enclosure houses [[UltraslimBay Floppy Drive]], connects to host with 17 mm D connector. Black IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K6187; ASM P/N 05K5907. Blue IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K2643; ASM P/N 05K8805.
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This enclosure houses [[UltraslimBay Floppy Drive]], connects to host with 17 mm D connector.
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*Black IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K6187; ASM P/N 05K5907.
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*Blue IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K2643; ASM P/N 05K8805.
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===17 mm cable to 21 mm drive===
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*FRU 12J1711
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*FRU 12J0432 (other P/N 83H6276)
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*FRU 05K2844 (other P/N 05K2843)
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*FRU 39F2077 (other P/N 85G9169)
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=20 mm=
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[[Image:Floppy_Thinkpad_365XD.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (365XD) — width: 20mm]]
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This D shell connector has 26 pins (seems to be the same like 17 mm, but a little bigger).
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*ThinkPad {{365X}}, {{365XD}}
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*cable to [[#21_mm_drive|21 mm drive]]: Manufacturing P/N 46H8096, FRU P/N 74H0219
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{{NOTE|IBM used this same connector in ThinkPad 760 [[MIDI/Game Port]].  Be careful not to confuse different peripheral cables.  Tip by Ziginox.}}
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{{WARN|Also Toshiba produced a cable with same connectors as IBM 74H0219.  Toshiba 20mm connector pinout is different: at the very least, pins for power and ground are shorted relative to IBM.  Tip by Ziginox.}}
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=701=
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{{QUOTE|Bob Collins|forum.thinkpads.com|The cable for the flop looks like a mini SCSI (external) connector with 36 gold contacts. The width of the connector is approx 1".}}
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[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7174Gp=44672#p44672 Tip by Bob Collins on forum.thinkpads.com.]
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{{QUOTE|NDCaesar|forum.thinkpads.com|The 701 uses an unusual connector for the external floppy drive. It looks like a wider version of the connector on the 10H4056 floppy drive itself. The trapezoidal part is ~26mm wide and the same height as the one on the drive, with identical clips on either side.}}
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[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=104874p=679562#p679562 Tip by NDCaesar on forum.thinkpads.com.]
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*ThinkPad {{701C}}, {{701CS}}
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*cable to [[#21_mm_drive|21 mm drive]]: FRU 04H6916, other FRU 42H1510
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*ThinkPad 701 External FDD and Cable: Option P/N 10H4068 (includes cable 04H6916 and drive 10H4056 OR 10H4055)
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*ThinkPad 701 EPP Printer Cable and FDD Cable Pack: Option P/N 10H4069
  
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=21 mm D shell=
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=21 mm host=
 
[[Image:Floppy_Drive.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — drive side — width: 21mm]]
 
[[Image:Floppy_Drive.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — drive side — width: 21mm]]
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This connector is used in several external diskette drives, by both IBM and Dell.  It has 26 pins.  It is a little bit wider than [[#20_mm_D_shell|20 mm D]], and about twice as thick.
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This D-shaped trapezoidal connector has 26 pins, is a little bit wider than [[#20_mm|20 mm D]], and about twice as thick.
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==Models featuring 21 mm connector==
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*ThinkPad {{310ED}}
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*ThinkPad {{710T}} {{730T}} {{730TE}}
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*ThinkPad {{760}}
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*ThinkPad {{765}}
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* [[SelectaBase Model I]]
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* [[ThinkPad Dock I (3545)]]
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* [[ThinkPad Dock II (3546)]]
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* [[ThinkPad Port Replicator Model 1]]
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* [[ThinkPad Port Replicator Model 2]]
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==21 mm cable to 21 mm drive==
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*FRU 25H4879
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*'For TP 310,315 only.' FRU P/N 11J8629 - cable;
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*'For TP 310E/ED,315E/ED only.' FRU P/N 11J8629 - cable;
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==UltraBay Diskette Drive enclosure==
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Known as 'Floppy Drive External attachment kit', 'FDD External Attachment Kit', 'External Diskette Drive Box Kit'.  This enclosure houses UltraBay FDD, has a non-removable lead which plugs-in to 21 mm host.
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*Option P/N 66G3618
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**FRU P/N 66G5069, other P/N 66G3696, EMEA P/N 66G3697
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**Announce date 09/08/93
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**FCC ID: ANO66G3696
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*Another version is FRU 46H5749, other P/N 46H5748 (likely ASM), FCC ID: ANO46H5748.
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*ThinkPad Power Series 850 'External FDD Drive Cover' FRU P/N is 85G5457, other P/N 84G4480.
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*UltraBay drive '1.44MB 3 MODE FDD ASM RETURN' is FRU P/N 29H9230, ASM P/N 41H8697, IBM P/N 84G3074, TEAC FD-05HG, TEAC P/N 19307546.
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**ThinkPad Power Series 850 drive has its own FRU P/N: 84G4597.
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**Found in {{360Cs}}: FRU P/N 84G2269, ASM P/N 84G2085, other number (label?) 84G2087.
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*'ThinkPad 2.88MB Diskette Drive' is FRU P/N 66G0108
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*4-mode for Japan is FRU P/N 29H9372
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*Installed inside ThinkPad, UltraBay drive attaches to 'Diskette Drive Removable Strap' FRU 29H9237.
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=21 mm drive=
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[[Image:Floppy_Drive.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Floppy cable connector — drive side — width: 21mm]]
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IBM, Dell, and Toshiba used 21mm D connector in several external diskette drives.  These attach to host using a modular/detachable cable.  ''Mercifully, these three makers chose compatible wiring.''  (Also Apple used this connector, in FDD for Macintosh PowerBook 2400.  Apple FDD hardware is incompatible to IBM PC FDD hardware.)
  
 
*MPF72E-1 : ASM P/N 05K8973; FRU P/N 05K8990;
 
*MPF72E-1 : ASM P/N 05K8973; FRU P/N 05K8990;
 
*FD-05P2 : ASM P/N 05K8958; FRU P/N 05K8989;
 
*FD-05P2 : ASM P/N 05K8958; FRU P/N 05K8989;
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*10H4056
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*IBM FRU NUMBER : 10H4056; PART NUMBER 10H3980;
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*IBM FRU # 59G7918
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*(FOR JAPAN) FRU P/N 10H4055
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*FRU # 48G9896
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*FRU P/N 48G9896; FCC ID : ANO48G9869; other P/N 1619696;
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*Dell part number 25749; FCC ID NO.: DX9-DELL-EXFDD;  
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*ThinkPad 730T: Opt. TOGP14M; FRU P/N 48G8263; (Goolag implies also known as 1619696)
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*Dell part number 25749; FCC ID NO.: DX9-DELL-EXFDD;
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*Toshiba model no. PA2652U; FCC ID : CJ6UK322
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*MODEL:FDD-101; FRU P/N 05K8827; FCC ID: GQ8FDD-101;
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*'For TP 310,315 only.' FRU P/N 11J8628 - fdd;
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*'For TP 310E/ED,315E/ED only.' FRU P/N 05K8827 - fdd;
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*[[UltraBay II Floppy Drive]] (FRU 12J0425, ASM 83H6258)
  
 
=parallel port=
 
=parallel port=
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ThinkPad T20 line supports a floppy drive connected to [[Parallel Port]].  [http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?39801-External-Parallel-Floppy-Drives Other portable PCs featured this functionality] (notably Compaq Armada M700, Dell Latitude C400, and Toshiba), but each company chose different wiring, so a non-IBM parallel floppy drive is NOT substitutable.  The adapter (FRU P/N: 08K6360; other number (ASM?) 08K6359) [[#17_mm_D_shell.2C_26_pin|provides a 17 mm D receptacle]].
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ThinkPad T20 line supports a floppy drive connected to [[Parallel Port]].  [http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?39801-External-Parallel-Floppy-Drives Other portable PCs featured this functionality] (notably Compaq Armada M700, [http://woodboy.org/dell/LS400_manual/exconn.htm Dell Latitude LS], and Toshiba), but each company chose different wiring, so a non-IBM parallel floppy drive is NOT substitutable.  The adapter (FRU P/N: 08K6360; other number (ASM?) 08K6359) [[#17_mm|provides a 17 mm D receptacle]].
 
*ThinkPad {{T20}}, {{T21}}, {{T22}}, {{T23}}
 
*ThinkPad {{T20}}, {{T21}}, {{T22}}, {{T23}}
  
 
=references=
 
=references=
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{{IBMDOCURL|MIGR-52866|Floppy Disk Drive Accessories - ThinkPad General}}
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*{{IBMDOCURL|MIGR-52866|Floppy Disk Drive Accessories - ThinkPad General}}
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[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=42814 discussion about 17 20 21 mm D connectors]
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*[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=42814 discussion about 17 20 21 mm D connectors]
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[http://www.rkawakami.net/ibm_600x/365xd_vs_600_floppy_connectors/ photographs and measurements by Ray Kawakami, "IBM 600X vs 365XD Floppy Connectors"]
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*[http://www.rkawakami.net/ibm_600x/365xd_vs_600_floppy_connectors/ photographs and measurements by Ray Kawakami, "IBM 600X vs 365XD Floppy Connectors"]
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[http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/findeis/flopinfo.html several part numbers and also Dell 21mm compatibility by findeis@bucknell, "Cable Information for External 3.5" Floppy Diskette Drive for IBM Thinkpads"]
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*[http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/findeis/flopinfo.html several part numbers and also Dell 21mm compatibility by findeis@bucknell, "Cable Information for External 3.5" Floppy Diskette Drive for IBM Thinkpads"]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/d41a.htm "Marketing P/N to FRU P/N Listing - Diskette/ZIP Drives", Parts Information Document ID: VLAR-3TQW2G, kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/34ee.htm "Floppy Drive External attachment kit - Technical Specifications", Parts Information Document ID: LWIK-3RZQH5, kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/a1c2.htm "TP 760,765 - HDD/CD-Rom/FDD Options", Parts Information Document ID: BJOS-3QHUB3, kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/61d6.htm 'TP 760XL - Product Information Overview - Refreshed Models Announced 09/08/97' 'Service Hints & Tips Document ID: PFAN-3QFUHP', kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/ee7a.htm 'TP 701 - HDD/CD-Rom/FDD Options', Parts Information Document ID: TJEK-3QHVCN, kev009.com]
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*[https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/ftpdir/thinkpad/old-archive/HTML/tp-1995/msg00391.html "What we've all been waiting for" letter to ThinkPad mailing list; 'IBM ThinkPad 701C and 701CS, Related Features, and ThinkPad Pentium Upgrade Option'; Announced on March 7, 1995; Hardware Announcement 195063]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/f4549.htm '730TE Parts Listing (2524)', kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/2524/2524.html 730T/TE Tablet, kev009.com]
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*[http://www.aichi.to/~thinkpad/fdd/ 'About FDD' ThinkPad Love by PONTA, www.aichi.to]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/epr2d/f5960.htm 'Parts Listing (310, 310D - 2600)', kev009.com]
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/f6fe.htm 'TP 310E/ED,315E/ED - HDD/CD-Rom/FDD Options', Parts Information Document ID: LWIK-3QAKDA, kev009.com]
  
 
=UNSORTED=
 
=UNSORTED=
  
 
=== Part numbers ===
 
=== Part numbers ===
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*P/N: 83H6276
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*FRU 73G3422 for 510CS, ref findeis
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*FRU P/N: 12J0432, 12J1711, 39F2077
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*IBM FRU # 59G7918
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[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32378 05K9040 is mentioned for 310ED forum.thinkpads.com]
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*several part numbers found in [http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/d41a.htm "Marketing P/N to FRU P/N Listing - Diskette/ZIP Drives", Parts Information Document ID: VLAR-3TQW2G, kev009.com]
 
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==Models featuring this Technology==
 
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*ThinkPad {{220}}
 
  
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*ThinkPad {{310ED}}
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==500==
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:[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32378 "The FRU is 05K8827.", Davemci, forum.thinkpads.com]
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*FRU 59G7925 for 500, ref findeis
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*[http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm2/f3401.htm 'Parts Listing - ThinkPad 500 (2603)', kev009.com]
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*Diskette Drive/Serial Cable (External) FRU P/N 59G7925
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*Diskette Drive/Serial Cable (Internal) FRU P/N 59G7952
  
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*ThinkPad {{365CD}} {{365ED}} {{365XD}}
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==365 confusion==
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:[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/a7d2.htm "365CD, 365ED systems ship with an external Floppy Disk Drive that has a non-detachable cable.  FDD/Cable assembly FRU 75H7572" "365XD models ship with an external FDD that has a separate cable. The cable FRU is 74H0219, and the FDD FRU is 10H4056", Document ID: YAST-3FGSHU, kev009.com]
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*ThinkPad {{365CD}} {{365ED}}
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:FRU 75H7572
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*ThinkPad {{701C}}
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:some other number 75H7580
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:[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7174 "The external floppy is FRU 10H4056 or IBM P/N 10H3980. The cable for the flop looks like a mini SCSI (external) connector with 36 gold contacts. The width of the connector is approx 1".", Bob Collins, forum.thinkpads.com]
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:[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/a7d2.htm "365CD, 365ED systems ship with an external Floppy Disk Drive that has a non-detachable cable.  FDD/Cable assembly FRU 75H7572", Document ID: YAST-3FGSHU, kev009.com]
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:[http://ps-2.kev009.com/pcpartnerinfo/ctstips/d29a.htm 'TP 365E/ED/X/XD - EMEA FRU to PN Cross Reference', Parts Information Document ID: LWIK-3YVLFH, kev009.com]
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*ThinkPad {{760XD}}
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:[http://thinkpad-forum.de/threads/178960-Viele-Bilder-Fragen-zum-Thinkpad-365ED German discussion, thinkpad-forum.de]
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:[http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=42087 "part number 66G5069. It's one that works only on 760* and 765*", whizkid, forum.thinkpads.com]
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:[http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/f4655.htm 'Parts Listing 365C, CD, CS, CSD (2625)', kev009.com]
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:FRU P/N: 66G5069, P/N: 66G3696, FCC ID: ANO66G3696, (blue 8beam IBM logo) 'Manufactured by IBM LTD' 'Made in Japan'
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:[http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/f4657.htm 'Parts Listing 365E, 365ED (2625)', kev009.com]
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:in spite of supposed 'incorrectly labeled', these part numbers are worth looking for, this is a very real world specimen in eBay:
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*Ext.-Diskette Drive (Opt. TOGP14M) 48G8263
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::IBM Part No.: 41H8228
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:ThinkPad {{730TE}} {{730T}} [http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/epr2b/f4549.htm 730TE Parts Listing (2524), kev009.com]
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::IBM FRU No.: 41H7445
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:"Just wanted to advise that some of the newer Thinkpad's External Floppy Drives will function with the 730T. I was using the External floppy from my 765D system, FRU# 66G5069 P/N 66G3696. The floppy drive is also used in the following Thinkpad units, the 360, 355, 370, 701, 755, & 760. This drive unit should be easier and less expensive to obtain than the original unit" [http://ps-2.kev009.com/ohlandl/2524/2524.html 730T/TE Tablet, kev009.com]
 
  
 
==Docks and Port Replicators featuring this Technology==
 
==Docks and Port Replicators featuring this Technology==
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{{NOTE|These devices only feature pass-through functionality, the actual Floppy Controller logic needs to reside in the ThinkPad for the port to work}}
 
 
* [[ThinkPad 365 Port Replicator]]
 
* [[ThinkPad 365 Port Replicator]]
 
* [[ThinkPad 365X Port Replicator]]
 
* [[ThinkPad 365X Port Replicator]]
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* [[SelectaBase Model I]]
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* [[ThinkPad MultiPort]]
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* [[SelectaBase 600]]
 
 
* [[SelectaBase 770]]
 
* [[SelectaBase 770]]
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* [[ThinkPad MultiPort]]
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* [[ThinkPad MultiPort II]]
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[[Category:Ports, Connectors and Slots]]
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* [[ThinkPad Dock I (3545)]]
 
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* [[ThinkPad Dock II (3546)]]
 
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* [[ThinkPad Port Replicator Model 1]]
 
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* [[ThinkPad Port Replicator Model 2]]
 

Latest revision as of 14:59, 15 November 2020

17 mm

Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (770) — width: 17mm
sketch of 17 mm-wide external floppy connector
photo of two 17 mm connector types, host and cable

By year 2000, IBM made this their standard host-side connector for external floppy diskette drive. This D-shell connector has 26 pins. It is found in ThinkPad and Dock product lines, and SurePOS 500.

Models featuring 17 mm connector

NOTE!
These devices only feature pass-through functionality, the actual Floppy Controller logic needs to reside in the ThinkPad for the port to work

beware other implementations of 17 mm connector

Also Toshiba and Apple used the same connector (17 mm 26 pin) as IBM. Their implementations are contrary, noncompatible.

Toshiba used a same connector and different wire/pin assignment. Like ThinkPad parts, they are abundant in secondhand market. How unfortunate, IBM and Toshiba did not choose identical wiring plan.

jmetal88 wrote on Vintage Computer Forums:
The plug is a perfect fit, but unfortunately, the laptop will not power on with the floppy plugged in. Additionally, the laptop will not power on with the cable plugged in while the floppy drive is not connected to the cable.

Tip by jmetal88 on vintage-computer.com Vintage Computer Forums.

Kasm279 wrote on forum.thinkpads.com:
Despite the cable for a Toshiba and one of the IBM ones having the same connector, they are NOT interchangable. I blew a fuse in a Toshiba that way.

Tip by Kasm279 on forum.thinkpads.com.

Apple used a same connector in Macintosh PowerBook 2400. Apple Macintosh floppy interface is incompatible to IBM PC floppy interface. Despite being made by IBM, PowerBook 2400 uses different wiring. Tip by MikeatOSX and sambapati87.

17 mm drive Options

The most compact Option is Part (FRU) 84G8663, designed for and PC110. This has a non-removable cable which plugs-in to 17mm host.

ThinkPad T Series FDD External Cable Kit

This cable connects Ultrabay 2000 Floppy Drive to host with 17 mm D connector. End of cable with Ultrabay 2000 connector has thumbscrews, for a rigid connection, semi-permanent attachment. IBM Option P/N 27L0524; FRU P/N 27L0525; other P/N (ASM?) 27L0526. Support Document MIGR-4JTSXJ Support Document MIGR-40010

UltraslimBay Floppy enclosure

This enclosure houses UltraslimBay Floppy Drive, connects to host with 17 mm D connector.

  • Black IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K6187; ASM P/N 05K5907.
  • Blue IBM logo: FRU P/N 05K2643; ASM P/N 05K8805.

17 mm cable to 21 mm drive

  • FRU 12J1711
  • FRU 12J0432 (other P/N 83H6276)
  • FRU 05K2844 (other P/N 05K2843)
  • FRU 39F2077 (other P/N 85G9169)

20 mm

Floppy cable connector — ThinkPad side (365XD) — width: 20mm

This D shell connector has 26 pins (seems to be the same like 17 mm, but a little bigger).

NOTE!
IBM used this same connector in ThinkPad 760 MIDI/Game Port. Be careful not to confuse different peripheral cables. Tip by Ziginox.
ATTENTION!
Also Toshiba produced a cable with same connectors as IBM 74H0219. Toshiba 20mm connector pinout is different: at the very least, pins for power and ground are shorted relative to IBM. Tip by Ziginox.

701

Bob Collins wrote on forum.thinkpads.com:
The cable for the flop looks like a mini SCSI (external) connector with 36 gold contacts. The width of the connector is approx 1".

Tip by Bob Collins on forum.thinkpads.com.

NDCaesar wrote on forum.thinkpads.com:
The 701 uses an unusual connector for the external floppy drive. It looks like a wider version of the connector on the 10H4056 floppy drive itself. The trapezoidal part is ~26mm wide and the same height as the one on the drive, with identical clips on either side.

Tip by NDCaesar on forum.thinkpads.com.

  • ThinkPad 701C, 701CS
  • cable to 21 mm drive: FRU 04H6916, other FRU 42H1510
  • ThinkPad 701 External FDD and Cable: Option P/N 10H4068 (includes cable 04H6916 and drive 10H4056 OR 10H4055)
  • ThinkPad 701 EPP Printer Cable and FDD Cable Pack: Option P/N 10H4069

21 mm host

Floppy cable connector — drive side — width: 21mm

This D-shaped trapezoidal connector has 26 pins, is a little bit wider than 20 mm D, and about twice as thick.

Models featuring 21 mm connector

21 mm cable to 21 mm drive

  • FRU 25H4879
  • 'For TP 310,315 only.' FRU P/N 11J8629 - cable;
  • 'For TP 310E/ED,315E/ED only.' FRU P/N 11J8629 - cable;

UltraBay Diskette Drive enclosure

Known as 'Floppy Drive External attachment kit', 'FDD External Attachment Kit', 'External Diskette Drive Box Kit'. This enclosure houses UltraBay FDD, has a non-removable lead which plugs-in to 21 mm host.

  • Option P/N 66G3618
    • FRU P/N 66G5069, other P/N 66G3696, EMEA P/N 66G3697
    • Announce date 09/08/93
    • FCC ID: ANO66G3696
  • Another version is FRU 46H5749, other P/N 46H5748 (likely ASM), FCC ID: ANO46H5748.
  • ThinkPad Power Series 850 'External FDD Drive Cover' FRU P/N is 85G5457, other P/N 84G4480.
  • UltraBay drive '1.44MB 3 MODE FDD ASM RETURN' is FRU P/N 29H9230, ASM P/N 41H8697, IBM P/N 84G3074, TEAC FD-05HG, TEAC P/N 19307546.
    • ThinkPad Power Series 850 drive has its own FRU P/N: 84G4597.
    • Found in 360CS: FRU P/N 84G2269, ASM P/N 84G2085, other number (label?) 84G2087.
  • 'ThinkPad 2.88MB Diskette Drive' is FRU P/N 66G0108
  • 4-mode for Japan is FRU P/N 29H9372
  • Installed inside ThinkPad, UltraBay drive attaches to 'Diskette Drive Removable Strap' FRU 29H9237.

21 mm drive

Floppy cable connector — drive side — width: 21mm

IBM, Dell, and Toshiba used 21mm D connector in several external diskette drives. These attach to host using a modular/detachable cable. Mercifully, these three makers chose compatible wiring. (Also Apple used this connector, in FDD for Macintosh PowerBook 2400. Apple FDD hardware is incompatible to IBM PC FDD hardware.)

  • MPF72E-1 : ASM P/N 05K8973; FRU P/N 05K8990;
  • FD-05P2 : ASM P/N 05K8958; FRU P/N 05K8989;
  • IBM FRU NUMBER : 10H4056; PART NUMBER 10H3980;
  • (FOR JAPAN) FRU P/N 10H4055
  • FRU P/N 48G9896; FCC ID : ANO48G9869; other P/N 1619696;
  • ThinkPad 730T: Opt. TOGP14M; FRU P/N 48G8263; (Goolag implies also known as 1619696)
  • Dell part number 25749; FCC ID NO.: DX9-DELL-EXFDD;
  • Toshiba model no. PA2652U; FCC ID : CJ6UK322
  • MODEL:FDD-101; FRU P/N 05K8827; FCC ID: GQ8FDD-101;
  • 'For TP 310,315 only.' FRU P/N 11J8628 - fdd;
  • 'For TP 310E/ED,315E/ED only.' FRU P/N 05K8827 - fdd;
  • UltraBay II Floppy Drive (FRU 12J0425, ASM 83H6258)

parallel port

ThinkPad T20 line supports a floppy drive connected to Parallel Port. Other portable PCs featured this functionality (notably Compaq Armada M700, Dell Latitude LS, and Toshiba), but each company chose different wiring, so a non-IBM parallel floppy drive is NOT substitutable. The adapter (FRU P/N: 08K6360; other number (ASM?) 08K6359) provides a 17 mm D receptacle.

references

UNSORTED

Part numbers

  • FRU 73G3422 for 510CS, ref findeis
  • IBM FRU # 59G7918

05K9040 is mentioned for 310ED forum.thinkpads.com

500

365 confusion

FRU 75H7572
some other number 75H7580
"365CD, 365ED systems ship with an external Floppy Disk Drive that has a non-detachable cable. FDD/Cable assembly FRU 75H7572", Document ID: YAST-3FGSHU, kev009.com
'TP 365E/ED/X/XD - EMEA FRU to PN Cross Reference', Parts Information Document ID: LWIK-3YVLFH, kev009.com
German discussion, thinkpad-forum.de
'Parts Listing 365C, CD, CS, CSD (2625)', kev009.com
'Parts Listing 365E, 365ED (2625)', kev009.com
in spite of supposed 'incorrectly labeled', these part numbers are worth looking for, this is a very real world specimen in eBay:
IBM Part No.: 41H8228
IBM FRU No.: 41H7445

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