Problem with fan noise
Information about the fan noise problem in Thinkpad models from 2003/2004/2005.
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Problem description
There seem to be two different issues causing annoyance from fan noise:
Acceleration (pulsing) problem
The Thinkpad fan briefly accelerates in regular intervals (every few seconds), causing an annoying periodic pulse noise.
See here for audio recordings of this noise on ThinkPad R50 and R51.
Always-on problem
The fan is always on, even when the laptop is rather cool.
Affected Models
Acceleration (pulsing) problem:
Always-on problem:
- ThinkPad 600X
- ThinkPad 770X
- ThinkPad A31p
- ThinkPad R32, R50, R50p, R51, R52
- ThinkPad T40, T40p, T41, T41p, T42, T42p, T43, T43p, T60
- ThinkPad X32, X40, X41, X60, X61
- ThinkPad Z60m
- ThinkPad Z61m
Affected Operating Systems
Acceleration (pulsing) problem:
- All operating systems (this is a firmware bug). Note that some vendors might ship with fan-control workarounds enabled by default.
Always-on problem:
- Linux, all flavours
- FreeBSD 5.3
- OpenBSD 3.7 (Tested with X40)
- Windows XP
- Windows 2000 pro
Status
Acceleration (pulsing) problem:
The pulsing is triggered by the embedded controller when it monitors the fan speed and adjusts the fan control accordingly every few seconds.
For some models, IBM released an update to the embedded controller program that seems to at least partially solve this problem:
Version 3.03 - 1RHT70WW NOTE: This version of Embedded Controller Program will only work with BIOS Version 3.06f (or higher). * (Fix) Reduced Fan noise in some models.
The update can be found here
Unfortunately, this update was not correctly ported to the Thinkpad T43 and R52 firmware: someone made a careless typo which generally results in no improvement in behaviour: the fan may continue to pulse every ~4.8s, and for some it may accelerate a great deal every 30 seconds or so, making a lot of noise. An unofficial patched firmware exists in source code format (see below).
For models which still have broken firmware (e.g., ThinkPad T43 with official firmware), there is a software workaround (see below).
-- A few weeks ago the fan of my ThinkPad T43 started to get an noncircular rotation which ended in an even louder noise which made the whole laptop vibrate. I knew the 41W5204 fan from a different article since I always hated the fan noise of the T43 and because my model has both 'the always on problem' and 'the pulsing noise problem'. So after all I replaced my old factory fan with the new 41W5204 which is so much batter since this fan is very very silent. (I hear the harddrive for the first time now which wasn't possible with the old fan for the last 3 years). I bought that fan here in Germany for about 29,20 Euro and the part was called 41W5204 - "IBM Ersatzteil Fan Assy Thinkpad T40 41 42 (S)". Search for 41W5204 if you want the same fan. It's no magic because I can still hear the fan, to make this clear but it's much better now!
--Joachim Schiele 19:13, 15 April 2008 (CEST)
Always-on problem:
The problem is yet unsolved. But see the partial fix below.
IBM made a statement regarding this on their homepage
Solutions
Acceleration problem:
Replacing the fan
Some people reported that they replaced the original fan against one of a similar notebook without the problem has worked for them, i.e. changing a T41s fan against one from a T41p.
BIOS upgrade
For relevant models, you can try upgrading your embedded controller program to version 3.03 or newer. The update can be found here
Also, in late November 2005 IBM released a BIOS and embedded controller update (BIOS 1.24, EC 1.04) for the T43/p (Machine types 2668, 2669, 2678, 2679, 2686, 2687). Reported results are not consistent and range from cooler sensor readings (some sensors seem to report lower temperatures with this patch), less fan pulsing (also only reported by some users), and slightly different fan behaviour. The link to this update is: here
Fixing the firmware
For T43/R52 firmwares 1YHT29WW and 70HT28WW, a fix is available and known to work, but it is not easy to deploy. You have to know enough to modify the firmware yourself. The fix is in the firmware source code (but disabled by default), see Embedded Controller Firmware for some information to get you started. If you are not at ease programming microcontrollers, please stick to the software workarounds, there's a reason this fix is not just an easy download away.
Software workaround
The problem can be solved through appropriate modulation of the embedded controller, using an ACPI fan control script.
There is also a GTK GUI program (packaged for Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04)
Always on problem:
Reducing power consumption
Generally, this problem is triggered by heating due to high power consumption. See How to reduce power consumption.
It seems like for some people a combination of enabling dynamic frequency scaling and using the most recent radeon drivers (from xorg 6.8.x) with the DynamicClocks option enabled helped lowing the fan rotation and hence making it more quiet.
Also the fglrx driver from ATI is said to show the same effect when used together with dynamic frequency scaling.
I can confirm that on my R51, the graphics card seems to be the problem. The fan keeps running most of the time even with AC on, but even though I activated DynamicClocks (with the radeon driver), I can see in /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal that the GPU (4th value) is at 52-53°. The fan stops running as soon as the temperature gets down to 50 degrees and starts again at 53. While debugging, I seemed(!) to be able to reduce the temperature together with the resolution (e.g. "xrandr -s 2" to get from 1400x1050 to 1024x768) or by switching off the graphics with "xset dpms force off". The bottom line is that the below "partial fix" won't work because the GPU temperature is the problem.
The GPU also seems to be the culprit on the t43p. Even with the fan always on (with speeds of around 4K reported in /proc/acpi/ibm/fan), the temperature never drops below 55. This is with the Xorg driver and DynamicClocks=on. With the ATI's fglrx driver, the GPU temp seems slightly higher (although I haven't performed a careful comparison). Without the fan, the temperature very quickly climbs to above 60.
With the Pentium M, CPU heat dissipation can be reduced through undervolting and underclocking.
In regard to the technical side of controlling the fan, see How to control fan speed for a description of the embedded controller byte at offset 0x2F which controls the fan activity (T4X series and other later models). In addition to these in the discussion to this topic [1] a user observed hidden temperature sensors. In the ACPI DSDT dump a T43 reports 8 temp values at offset 0x78 (some of which may be off and yield a constant value of 0x80), but there are at least three more values at offset 0xC0 which from observation seem to show temperatures as well. One of these sensors (0xC1) is most likely in the area of the mini PCI slot (related to WLAN activity) and seem to trigger the fan at 43°C (T43, Windows XP). Another one (0xC2) seems to be located below the power supply (rear left, in the area under the Esc, F1-F3 keys). This one noticeably increases when the battery is charged. Both, the 0xC1 and 0xC2 react quite slowly to fan activity.
For more information about the thermal sensors that are monitored to decide the fan speed, see Thermal sensors.
Software solution - Windows
The ThinkPad Fan Control Utility (http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp4xfancontrol/) actively monitors the CPU Temperature and uses ACPI to manually control the fan speed. It was written for the T43, but works on a number of other models as well. A port of this programme running as a Windows service is available from http://www.cceye.com/index.php?topic=73.0 (download: http://www.cceye.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=73.0;id=9 ). Extensive discussion of this utility is available at http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=17715
The version which runs as a Windows service is recommended because the system will restart it if the programme crashes. A crash of either programme could leave your computer without any active cooling, leading to overheating and potentially serious damage.
ref links http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_fan_noise http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=17715
Note:
1 The Windows Event log will fill up with repeated errors regarding the Embedded Controller: please clean your event log regularly. 2 The programme may crash from time to time, but the service version should restart after a crash.
Software solution - Linux
See How to control fan speed and Fan control scripts.
I had this problem on my X24 by using a stock Debian Etch kernel. I solved it by compiling an unpatched kernel myself and leaving the fan module out. But I guess the fan module wasn't responsible for, because the fan started to run before modules were loaded.
A GTK GUI program (packaged for Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10) may also help.
You can use the fan control scripts to increase a bit the minimum fan trigerring thresolds.
Cleaning the fan or removing obstructions
If your ThinkPad is old or has been exposed to dusty environment, it is possible that accumulated dirt on the fan and the heatsink cause abnormal behavior (though the problems have also been reported for brand new units). You can use a combination of a vacuum cleaner and an air dusting spray to clean things up from the outside. Bigger agglomerations of dust may require removing by tweezers through the openings in the fan grill. Getting to the fan itself from the inside is quite tricky and may require removing the keyboard or LCD - see Cleaning the Interior.
If the fan is especially noisy, there may be some obstruction other than dirt in the way. For instance, in some ThinkPad models, a wire that is not properly taped down can become draped over the CPU fan, slowing down fan rotation and emitting a loud buzzing sound. Moving such an obstruction out of the way can greatly decrease fan noise.
After you clean things up, power on your ThinkPad. You should hear the fan start up for a bit when booting. If it does not, this means that the cleaning procedure has actually blocked the fan and your computer will overheat at some point (BIOS POST test does not appear to catch obstructed fans). Keep cleaning.
If cleaning does not fix the problem, the fan can be replaced as described in your laptop's appropriate Hardware Maintenace Manual: select your laptop at the Models Page and follow the links. All that is generally required is some screwdrivers and heat sink thermal grease. Do NOT attempt to install without the silicon grease.
If you feel comfortable using a soldering iron, you are more than qualified to do the procedure. Just remember do NOT force anything, at several steps there are tiny plastic "tabs" that can break off necessiting a more expensive bezel / keyboard / GPU replacement.
Hardware modification
An extensive forum discussion of this problem for the ThinkPad T43/T43p, and possible hardware mods for thermal enhancement, appear here. There users who had opened the machine reported uncooled Northbridge and Southbrige chips, having no physical connecting to the heat pipe. Building a hardware copper bridge to these changed the temperature characteristics but did not cure the "always on" problem. In another discussion on that forum a user said that among other areas the WLAN chip may be responsible for generating extra heat and that disabling WLAN (among other unused devices) may help. See also how to build a T43 southbridge cooler.
A new thread on the forums describes what cannot be called anything other than a major hardware bug in (some?) of the T43/p fans, which causes extra noise (both from airflow and also from direct metal-to-metal contact). It can be fixed by a simple hardware modification (during which time you might as well enhance the effectiveness of the heatsink by applying better thermal grease).
- HARDWARE FIX: how to fix a design bug in the T43/p fan to make it silent
- HARDWARE FIX: enhancing the effectiveness of the Thermal Sink
If applying the first fix, please read the discussion thoroughly as there are some failures reported and the process may not be as straightfoward as described by the author.
